Kentucky Firearms / class three dealer / silencers machineguns

[rext]

I can help you with your class three needs.I stock silencers at Buds Gunshop in Paris KY.

I charge $50 for silencer transfers and $100 for machine gun transfers if I dont have what you want.

Call me if I can answer any questions for you.I am not there at the store all the time but, anyone there can help you to see what you want.

Rex Tyson
Kentucky Firearms
859-361-9444

[SniperNoor]

Can you help me get the paperwork in for the Class three stamp?

[rext]

Yes.You have to purchase whatever you are planning and then submit paperwork to ATF.Your paperwork will have the item information filled in on it.

[rext]

This is a brief overview of how the process works.May be helpful.

http://www.class3guns.com/how%20to%2...%20weapons.htm

This link is a very indepth detailed writeup that will probably answer everything you ever wanted to know,but were afraid to ask!

http://www.recguns.com/Sources/IIF1.html

[washburnizer]

Good info. Thank you for posting.

[Marcus]

Thanks rext.

[drewhenderson13]

i read through that article. ive heard its illegal to let someone else shoot your nfa weapon, even if your present. ive also heard is illegal to have nfa guns not locked up because that would be allowing all the people in your house access to the nfa weapon.

i would absolutely love to get a silencer but i dont know if the paperwork and red tape are worth it.

[Whootsinator]

Drew, think about the Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot. That's a whole lot of people breaking the law if that's true. Not to mention all of the gun dealers around the country that allow the rental of machine guns.

[torpedodave]

Hey Rex, I couldn't get your first link to work.

[drewhenderson13]

Originally Posted by Whootsinator

Drew, think about the Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot. That's a whole lot of people breaking the law if that's true. Not to mention all of the gun dealers around the country that allow the rental of machine guns.

i was told the legal way to do that is to establish a trust that the guns are registered in then anyone that shoots the gun is signed on as an approved user. they said that nfa guns that are registered to individuals can only be used by the individuals.

[drewhenderson13]

im not saying i believed waht i was told. i just dont know. and until i absolutely now how to buy and what i can do with a nfa forearm or accessory i cant buy one. i really want a silencer too!

[Whootsinator]

Well, like I said in the message you quoted, either they are wrong or there are lot of people breaking the law out there both by FFL-holders and under police supervision.

[ssracer]

I "hear" lots of things about guns. Best way to find out for sure is read through the actual laws.

[drewhenderson13]

Originally Posted by Whootsinator

Well, like I said in the message you quoted, either they are wrong or there are lot of people breaking the law out there both by FFL-holders and under police supervision.

thats not necessarily true. what if the ranges and the people at the mgs have their guns in trusts and they sign on each person who rents the guns as temporary users?

what they said COULD be true. i reasoned it out but i don't have enough information to contest it. thats why i want to know from an expert.

[drewhenderson13]

Originally Posted by ssracer

I "hear" lots of things about guns. Best way to find out for sure is read through the actual laws.

i agree, or ask an expert. thats why i dont do anything that could get me in trouble if i am in doubt... and i am in doubt aboiut nfa firearms and accessories.

[Whootsinator]

Let's think about that for a moment. Technically, the trust owns the weapon. It's like a business owning an asset. If they signed two people on to the trust, the original 'owner' now controls 1/3 of the firearm. That would just be plain unintelligent on the original trustee's part.

Perhaps I'm wrong, though?

[drewhenderson13]

Originally Posted by Whootsinator

Let's think about that for a moment. Technically, the trust owns the weapon. It's like a business owning an asset. If they signed two people on to the trust, the original 'owner' now controls 1/3 of the firearm. That would just be plain unintelligent on the original trustee's part.

Perhaps I'm wrong, though?

from what i was told, the people signed on to the trust are approved users, not owners. the person (or people) who create the trust controls the assets of the trust. i think you may be getting a trust confused with a corporation.

i'm not questioning how the trust works. i've been aware that nfa items can be established in trusts. i'm just questioning if it really is necessary in order for multiple people to use the nfa item.

[drewhenderson13]

http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/

the more i think about it the less i want a silencer. there is too much red tape and too much misinformation out there for me to feel comfortable buying one.

i dont mean to put anyone else off of buying any nfa items. im just saying that i personally dont understand the laws right now.

[drewhenderson13]

woots, do you own any nfa items?

[Whootsinator]

No Sir.

[rext]

Originally Posted by drewhenderson13

i read through that article. ive heard its illegal to let someone else shoot your nfa weapon, even if your present. ive also heard is illegal to have nfa guns not locked up because that would be allowing all the people in your house access to the nfa weapon.

i would absolutely love to get a silencer but i dont know if the paperwork and red tape are worth it.

You must be in control of the weapon.I.E., under your supervision.Its fine for others to enjoy the weapon as long as you are there.You couldnt loan it out to someone.They should be locked up because they are valuable and semi unreplaceable.

[rext]

Originally Posted by torpedodave

Hey Rex, I couldn't get your first link to work.

I dont know whats up with that one?

[rext]

On a trust, the trust owns the weapon.If you are a trustee, you can have possession of the item legally.Its almost like a tool that is used by sevaral in a company.Pretty much if you have a piece of paper saying its legal,I would seriously doubt if you would get any grief over it from anyone.
The biggest myth I hear daily is either "How can you sell these,they are illegal", as I am standing next to a large display of them for sale.Or, "I dont want the ATF to bust through my door in the middle of the night because you sign all your rights away." You dont give up your fourth amendment rights to exercise your second amendment right. Both of these are said out of ignorance of the truth.I know people that have had MGs for over 40 years and the ATF never has once contacted them about them.Muchless bust the door in.
If you are a law abiding citizen and the item is acquired legally, then what do you have to worrry about.Its not complicated to own or use them at all.Sure, you gotta jump through some hoops, but that just means they dont give these things to everyone.That should make you feel good about the system and yourself at that point.There isnt any doubt to the people that buy these if they can have them or not.Thats why I have never had anyone turned down.

[drewhenderson13]

Originally Posted by rext

You must be in control of the weapon.I.E., under your supervision.Its fine for others to enjoy the weapon as long as you are there.You couldnt loan it out to someone.They should be locked up because they are valuable and semi unreplaceable.

i have to say that thats what i thought. but when i get confliction information i get confused. im not an expert so i cant contest much of anything someone tells me about this stuff. thanks for the info!