Questions about KCR new range practices? - Page 2

Marcus · 11-05-2009, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by toddstang

See if John wants one. They may have "smedium".

He's been off work, He wears and extra smedium now!

ssracer · 11-05-2009, 10:34 PM

They are limiting targets now too? I used to take all kinds of crap out there and shoot it...lol

x3 on the tshirts

shmoe403 · 11-05-2009, 10:35 PM

id totally buy one.

josh · 11-05-2009, 10:37 PM

x3 as well... ill buy one only if they look cool. no crappy design like KCR has lol

Marcus · 11-05-2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ssracer

They are limiting targets now too? I used to take all kinds of crap out there and shoot it...lol

x3 on the tshirts

No electronics last time I was there. I've wasted old vacuum cleaners, cd players and a computer out there. I'm gonna miss doing that!

**toucan2442** · 11-05-2009, 11:47 PM

tee-shirts coming fella's very very soon

ssracer · 11-05-2009, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by marcus

No electronics last time I was there. I've wasted old vacuum cleaners, cd players and a computer out there. I'm gonna miss doing that!

Next time I get to an outdoor range I have a pewter dish and a flask that both have my wedding date on them...should make for nice garand fodder

washburnizer · 11-06-2009, 03:06 AM

That KCR place sounds like it would suck. I am a member at the Green River Gun Club in Bowling Green. I don't think they are currently accepting new members, but a member can take a guest anytime. If anyone ever wants to shoot, just give me a weeks notice and we'll tear it up on a Sat/Sun. And, no range crazies to mess with. Each member is a range officer, and everyone is very cool. The place is huge, so no worries about getting hit by ejected brass.

Wyldman · 11-06-2009, 08:09 AM

3x on the shirt for me, too, I'm a big boy!

It saddens me greatly to hear that KCR has knuckled under to the lawyers and insurance asshats.

Robert Paulson · 11-06-2009, 11:08 AM

so should i blow off going this sat or does anyone know about the other ranges? New haven and such?

DETN8R · 11-06-2009, 12:27 PM

I went to the DNR range at Taylorsville lake it is ok like they said you shoot through a steel tube appx 20 feet in length and 20 in diameter tube so you are very limited but other than that the range is nice clean and no cranky range officer.

insidethebunker · 11-11-2009, 12:56 AM

OK, you guys have bummed me out. I was going to head to KCR this Saturday, the 15th. Now I wonder if it's worth the drive. I guess I should go and at least see what all the fuss is about. I'm surprised it would have changed so drastically since I was there early summer.... that's disappointing. Maybe if they would quit with the damn Obama commercials they wouldn't get so many morons in there. (OK the commercials are pretty good, but....)

I also just printed the maps for Taylorsville Lake range so I might get the wife to run down there Sunday and see what it looks like.

And of course everyone knows about the "range", and I use that term loosely, that is in Henryville State Forest, Indiana. It's exit 17 of I65. Once you get into the park it's probably 4 or 5 miles back. The range is nothing more then a hillside to shoot in to and some picnic tables to set your gear on... but it might be better the KCR at this point.

I'll share if I learn anything interesting...

toddstang · 11-11-2009, 01:17 AM

Reading the range nazi replys on KCRs site cracks me up. Yea, the ROs are there for our safety and thats great. They just need to lose the attitudes. I have talked to some dam good ROs out there before that actually have a sense of humor. Not all of them are pricks who are to lazy to walk 200 feet every 20 minutes.

DETN8R · 11-11-2009, 08:19 PM

Anyone see this reply are you kidding me I am to tired to walk the whole line. So I would rather cram you all together and insure that if there is an accident we have more people around it so more chances of getting caught up in it. These guys really are something else. Bunch of lazy old cranky dudes.

Originally Posted by therangenazi View Post
darn i'm hurt i am the original range nazi & now i have competetion. the reason he does that is because when you have only twenty people shooting why have 46 tables open, because we have to walk that line every time there is a clear to check your weapons and make sure they are clear before everybody can go down range. so why use the whole range when u don't need it makes our job just a little bit easier. & the range flag rules were implemented for our benefit so we can be sure the weapons are unloaded because i have walked that line many times when people said their weapons were unloaded and low & behold guess what. and i'm not just talking about the new shooters i am talking about u supposed seasoned shooters that have been doing this for twenty some years and i quote i know what i'm doing lol. well i watch some of you all for fifteen minutes & i beg to differ. we are just trying to make it safer & make our job a little bit easier,why don't you just get out there and walk that range for 9 hours babysiting u children with guns & u will find out that every little step not taken will be much easier on your feet by the end of the day. it's not like the wild wild west during the week anymore people sorry.if you all would have used common sense and safe gun handling rules they would have not hired one during the week. have a wonderful day.

ssracer · 11-11-2009, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by insidethebunker

And of course everyone knows about the "range", and I use that term loosely, that is in Henryville State Forest, Indiana. It's exit 17 of I65. Once you get into the park it's probably 4 or 5 miles back. The range is nothing more then a hillside to shoot in to and some picnic tables to set your gear on... but it might be better the KCR at this point.

I'll share if I learn anything interesting...

I went there with a guy I worked with like 10 years ago. no idea how to get back to it...lol

rext · 11-11-2009, 08:47 PM

I read that whole thing over there.
I am sure there are things that go on that arent known to everyone about the range.But how long has KCR been open to the public? Seems to me the last time someone died was at the big shoot where they have the most security?I know what happened is apples to oranges.But the point being is when was the last time someone got shot there?I think it proves that the people that have shot there for years have been pretty safe and have a rather outstanding record of safety.So the argument so you can drive home doesnt neccessarily hold water in my opinion.And definitely I would raise hell if they had the extra space and wouldnt open a lane for me to shoot until someone left.And all those holes in the roof,I hardly believe they are all accidents.You have dicks everyhere...Granted accidents happen,but thats why they are called accidents.An accident is something that could have been prevented.You cant protect people from themselves.The govt is already trying to do that as hard as they can.

Marcus · 11-11-2009, 08:52 PM

Yeah, I read that too. It irritated me to the point of heading out to the range in Taylorsville. I definitely won't say it's a replacement for KCR, but much closer to me and no hassles with anyone. BTW, its weird shooting through a 20' long tube.

BMH · 11-11-2009, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rext

I read that whole thing over there.
I am sure there are things that go on that arent known to everyone about the range.But how long has KCR been open to the public? Seems to me the last time someone died was at the big shoot where they have the most security?I know what happened is apples to oranges.But the point being is when was the last time someone got shot there?I think it proves that the people that have shot there for years have been pretty safe and have a rather outstanding record of safety.So the argument so you can drive home doesnt neccessarily hold water in my opinion.And definitely I would raise hell if they had the extra space and wouldnt open a lane for me to shoot until someone left.And all those holes in the roof,I hardly believe they are all accidents.You have dicks everyhere...Granted accidents happen,but thats why they are called accidents.An accident is something that could have been prevented.You cant protect people from themselves.The govt is already trying to do that as hard as they can.

This is true, accidents happen all the time, it doesn't mean someone won't try blaming you for that accident. I spent three weeks in Montana last month in a court case for my company. We were being blamed for the death of a pitcher in a baseball game. Their reasoning was the ball came off the bat so hard the 18yr old did not have time to react the ball coming back at him. We lost that case, the jury decided we "failed to warn" the PITCHER that he could be injured or killed by a ball off a bat.

What does that have to do with anything? Well, at the October machine gun shoot a guy was on the main line and putting rifles in the back of his truck that morning. He TOSSED an "unloaded" M16 in the back of his truck. It went off and shot a hole through his truck and took a chuck out of the cafeteria wall. Right on the other side we were having breakfast. If that had been a higher caliber rifle it could have possibly gone through that wall. If anyone had been killed do you think they would have sued the gun owner? No way in hell, Knob Creek has the insurance for a nice payout. They would have went after Knob Creek for failing to check all the weapons before they were taken off the line.

I'll give you the fact about roping off the lanes, but the safety aspect I say they are right in line. That is the reason there hasn't been an injury in so long. It's like the chamber flags that now have to be used. Kenny's insurance gave him shit about not having them. If he wants coverage, we have to use chamber flags.

toddstang · 11-11-2009, 11:43 PM

I can live with the chamber flags. But again to rope us off cause the lazy ass doesnt want to walk? That just shows what a lowlife he really is. I guess his mommy didnt give him enough attention when he was younger and he is releasing all his stress on us. I talked to one of the parking guys at the last shoot and he told me that Kenny gets around $500,000 on average for the shoot. Seems like he can find better ROs' with that kind of $$.

Ulwembu · 11-12-2009, 12:25 AM

Well, I've read both topics, the one here and the one on the KCR forum. Being an RO during the subgun matches and being a so called range nazi at our range in the Netherands means I've seen and dealt with a lot of safety issues. I understand why a range officer wants to have an overview. If that means you can't shoot several feet away from the next shooter, so be it.

To give you an example of our rules overhere. You guys are talking about safety flags and not being allowed to touch your rifles while people are setting up targets. Although safety flags are not needed overhere because the range isn't that wide, we do have the rule that you are not allowed near your rifle or pistol when people are setting up targets. The biggest accidents happen with unloaded guns and I'm sure you wouldn't want a bullet to land between your feet when you think you are safe (this happened about 14 years ago at our range) or have a slide close behind you when the rule is that you do not touch your gun (had that happen myself about 6 years ago). Both members were kicked out of the shooting club for violating safety rules.

Only yesterday evening one of our members violated 4 safety rules. He was told about it, he wasn't happy with it. Too bad for him. Safety is more important (one of the issues was that he was training speed reloads with live ammo with his shotgun (just the reloads, not shooting them). Concentrating on the reloads he wasn't checking where his muzzle pointing). We have certain rules and they need to be followed. Simple.

As said, I have no idea how the RO's work during the weeks that there's no MG Shoot, but I do think that if you have a problem with how they act, take it up with Kenny.

Rob · 11-12-2009, 12:43 AM

Its funny because I have been going to the range at Taylorsville lake since it opened and there has been no accidents or incidents.Its pretty much you are a big boy and thats that,everybody is friendly ,considerate,etc.No supervision at all.At knob creek it seems(hate to say it this way)but they have a different type
of shooter there,not all but some.You can tell who just stopped at the local sporting goods store or pawn shop and now they are ready to be a sniper or some shit.These are the people that scare me and I sure as hell don't want to be standing next to them when something goes wrong.The chamber flags I understand but corralling everyone so you don't have to walk far isn't my problem and I shouldn't have to deal with it.

DETN8R · 11-12-2009, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ulwembu

Well, I've read both topics, the one here and the one on the KCR forum. Being an RO during the subgun matches and being a so called range nazi at our range in the Netherands means I've seen and dealt with a lot of safety issues. I understand why a range officer wants to have an overview. If that means you can't shoot several feet away from the next shooter, so be it.

To give you an example of our rules overhere. You guys are talking about safety flags and not being allowed to touch your rifles while people are setting up targets. Although safety flags are not needed overhere because the range isn't that wide, we do have the rule that you are not allowed near your rifle or pistol when people are setting up targets. The biggest accidents happen with unloaded guns and I'm sure you wouldn't want a bullet to land between your feet when you think you are safe (this happened about 14 years ago at our range) or have a slide close behind you when the rule is that you do not touch your gun (had that happen myself about 6 years ago). Both members were kicked out of the shooting club for violating safety rules.

Only yesterday evening one of our members violated 4 safety rules. He was told about it, he wasn't happy with it. Too bad for him. Safety is more important (one of the issues was that he was training speed reloads with live ammo with his shotgun (just the reloads, not shooting them). Concentrating on the reloads he wasn't checking where his muzzle pointing). We have certain rules and they need to be followed. Simple.

As said, I have no idea how the RO's work during the weeks that there's no MG Shoot, but I do think that if you have a problem with how they act, take it up with Kenny.

I can appreciate your comments, but does your range limit the members to only certain lanes because they don't feel like walking down a few more feet, like I said before I am a member in good standing, I follow a very strict set of rules, I open my actions and never ever touch my weapons when we are on a clear. As for the RO'S I was at knob creek one day last year when a range officer called for a hot line it was at that point several of us shooters let him know that there was still a person down range hanging a target at the back of the range not sure but had it not been for a few of us regular shooters who are careful there is a fellow who might not have made the trip home. This is not something I heard but witnessed.

NELSON · 11-12-2009, 08:48 PM

I understand the ropes to a point. I have not been out there while it was roped off. When I do go out there I do not like being crammed in with other people. The main reason for that is my safety. I do not know the people that are shooting next to. New shooters are goign to have a hard time getting comfortable with the sport if they are getting hit in the face with brass.

josh · 11-12-2009, 09:49 PM

Last time i went to KCR i was knocking 22lr brass in GUNCRANK's face for hours

i doo appologize for that again my friend!

toddstang · 11-12-2009, 11:16 PM

If you shoot an HK-91/PTR-91 with people elbow to butthole, you would have brass digging into flesh.

11-05-2009, 10:37 PM	#29
josh Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Jeffersontown Kentucky Posts: 7,783	x3 as well... ill buy one only if they look cool. no crappy design like KCR has lol __________________

11-05-2009, 11:47 PM	#31
toucan2442 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 8,451	tee-shirts coming fella's very very soon __________________ KFA will be down Sunday (9/5/10) for upgrades....

11-06-2009, 03:06 AM	#33
washburnizer Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Bowling Green, Ky Posts: 23,156	That KCR place sounds like it would suck. I am a member at the Green River Gun Club in Bowling Green. I don't think they are currently accepting new members, but a member can take a guest anytime. If anyone ever wants to shoot, just give me a weeks notice and we'll tear it up on a Sat/Sun. And, no range crazies to mess with. Each member is a range officer, and everyone is very cool. The place is huge, so no worries about getting hit by ejected brass. __________________ CCDW Instructor Forum Rules Link: http://kentuckianafirearms.com/forum...ead.php?t=4189

11-06-2009, 08:09 AM	#34
Wyldman Gold Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 2,136	3x on the shirt for me, too, I'm a big boy! It saddens me greatly to hear that KCR has knuckled under to the lawyers and insurance asshats. __________________ IN GOD WE TRUST NRA Patron Member, GOA Life Member, USCCA Member "That boy's paradigm don't always add up to four nickels...." Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that's good." *George Washington -* First President of the United States

11-06-2009, 11:08 AM	#35
Robert Paulson Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Prospect ky Posts: 153	so should i blow off going this sat or does anyone know about the other ranges? New haven and such? __________________

11-05-2009, 10:34 PM	#27
ssracer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Hikes Point Posts: 13,559	They are limiting targets now too? I used to take all kinds of crap out there and shoot it...lol x3 on the tshirts

11-05-2009, 10:35 PM	#28
shmoe403 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Middletown Posts: 444	id totally buy one.

11-06-2009, 12:27 PM	#36
DETN8R Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: LaGrange Posts: 81	I went to the DNR range at Taylorsville lake it is ok like they said you shoot through a steel tube appx 20 feet in length and 20 in diameter tube so you are very limited but other than that the range is nice clean and no cranky range officer.

11-11-2009, 12:56 AM	#37
insidethebunker Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Indiana side of Luisville Posts: 147	OK, you guys have bummed me out. I was going to head to KCR this Saturday, the 15th. Now I wonder if it's worth the drive. I guess I should go and at least see what all the fuss is about. I'm surprised it would have changed so drastically since I was there early summer.... that's disappointing. Maybe if they would quit with the damn Obama commercials they wouldn't get so many morons in there. (OK the commercials are pretty good, but....) I also just printed the maps for Taylorsville Lake range so I might get the wife to run down there Sunday and see what it looks like. And of course everyone knows about the "range", and I use that term loosely, that is in Henryville State Forest, Indiana. It's exit 17 of I65. Once you get into the park it's probably 4 or 5 miles back. The range is nothing more then a hillside to shoot in to and some picnic tables to set your gear on... but it might be better the KCR at this point. I'll share if I learn anything interesting...

11-11-2009, 01:17 AM	#38
toddstang Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In a van down by the river. Posts: 7,661	Reading the range nazi replys on KCRs site cracks me up. Yea, the ROs are there for our safety and thats great. They just need to lose the attitudes. I have talked to some dam good ROs out there before that actually have a sense of humor. Not all of them are pricks who are to lazy to walk 200 feet every 20 minutes.

11-11-2009, 08:19 PM	#39
DETN8R Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: LaGrange Posts: 81	Anyone see this reply are you kidding me I am to tired to walk the whole line. So I would rather cram you all together and insure that if there is an accident we have more people around it so more chances of getting caught up in it. These guys really are something else. Bunch of lazy old cranky dudes. Originally Posted by therangenazi View Post darn i'm hurt i am the original range nazi & now i have competetion. the reason he does that is because when you have only twenty people shooting why have 46 tables open, because we have to walk that line every time there is a clear to check your weapons and make sure they are clear before everybody can go down range. so why use the whole range when u don't need it makes our job just a little bit easier. & the range flag rules were implemented for our benefit so we can be sure the weapons are unloaded because i have walked that line many times when people said their weapons were unloaded and low & behold guess what. and i'm not just talking about the new shooters i am talking about u supposed seasoned shooters that have been doing this for twenty some years and i quote i know what i'm doing lol. well i watch some of you all for fifteen minutes & i beg to differ. we are just trying to make it safer & make our job a little bit easier,why don't you just get out there and walk that range for 9 hours babysiting u children with guns & u will find out that every little step not taken will be much easier on your feet by the end of the day. it's not like the wild wild west during the week anymore people sorry.if you all would have used common sense and safe gun handling rules they would have not hired one during the week. have a wonderful day.

11-11-2009, 08:47 PM	#41
rext Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Nicholasville,KY Posts: 424	I read that whole thing over there. I am sure there are things that go on that arent known to everyone about the range.But how long has KCR been open to the public? Seems to me the last time someone died was at the big shoot where they have the most security?I know what happened is apples to oranges.But the point being is when was the last time someone got shot there?I think it proves that the people that have shot there for years have been pretty safe and have a rather outstanding record of safety.So the argument so you can drive home doesnt neccessarily hold water in my opinion.And definitely I would raise hell if they had the extra space and wouldnt open a lane for me to shoot until someone left.And all those holes in the roof,I hardly believe they are all accidents.You have dicks everyhere...Granted accidents happen,but thats why they are called accidents.An accident is something that could have been prevented.You cant protect people from themselves.The govt is already trying to do that as hard as they can. __________________ ...the right of the people shall not be infringed...

11-11-2009, 08:52 PM	#42
Marcus Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Taylorsville Posts: 27,109	Yeah, I read that too. It irritated me to the point of heading out to the range in Taylorsville. I definitely won't say it's a replacement for KCR, but much closer to me and no hassles with anyone. BTW, its weird shooting through a 20' long tube.

11-11-2009, 11:43 PM	#44
toddstang Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In a van down by the river. Posts: 7,661	I can live with the chamber flags. But again to rope us off cause the lazy ass doesnt want to walk? That just shows what a lowlife he really is. I guess his mommy didnt give him enough attention when he was younger and he is releasing all his stress on us. I talked to one of the parking guys at the last shoot and he told me that Kenny gets around $500,000 on average for the shoot. Seems like he can find better ROs' with that kind of $$.

11-12-2009, 12:25 AM	#45
Ulwembu Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 362	Well, I've read both topics, the one here and the one on the KCR forum. Being an RO during the subgun matches and being a so called range nazi at our range in the Netherands means I've seen and dealt with a lot of safety issues. I understand why a range officer wants to have an overview. If that means you can't shoot several feet away from the next shooter, so be it. To give you an example of our rules overhere. You guys are talking about safety flags and not being allowed to touch your rifles while people are setting up targets. Although safety flags are not needed overhere because the range isn't that wide, we do have the rule that you are not allowed near your rifle or pistol when people are setting up targets. The biggest accidents happen with unloaded guns and I'm sure you wouldn't want a bullet to land between your feet when you think you are safe (this happened about 14 years ago at our range) or have a slide close behind you when the rule is that you do not touch your gun (had that happen myself about 6 years ago). Both members were kicked out of the shooting club for violating safety rules. Only yesterday evening one of our members violated 4 safety rules. He was told about it, he wasn't happy with it. Too bad for him. Safety is more important (one of the issues was that he was training speed reloads with live ammo with his shotgun (just the reloads, not shooting them). Concentrating on the reloads he wasn't checking where his muzzle pointing). We have certain rules and they need to be followed. Simple. As said, I have no idea how the RO's work during the weeks that there's no MG Shoot, but I do think that if you have a problem with how they act, take it up with Kenny.

11-12-2009, 12:43 AM	#46
Rob Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Elk Creek Posts: 6,052	Its funny because I have been going to the range at Taylorsville lake since it opened and there has been no accidents or incidents.Its pretty much you are a big boy and thats that,everybody is friendly ,considerate,etc.No supervision at all.At knob creek it seems(hate to say it this way)but they have a different type of shooter there,not all but some.You can tell who just stopped at the local sporting goods store or pawn shop and now they are ready to be a sniper or some shit.These are the people that scare me and I sure as hell don't want to be standing next to them when something goes wrong.The chamber flags I understand but corralling everyone so you don't have to walk far isn't my problem and I shouldn't have to deal with it.

11-12-2009, 08:48 PM	#48
NELSON Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 1,777	I understand the ropes to a point. I have not been out there while it was roped off. When I do go out there I do not like being crammed in with other people. The main reason for that is my safety. I do not know the people that are shooting next to. New shooters are goign to have a hard time getting comfortable with the sport if they are getting hit in the face with brass.

11-12-2009, 09:49 PM	#49
josh Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Jeffersontown Kentucky Posts: 7,783	Last time i went to KCR i was knocking 22lr brass in GUNCRANK's face for hours i doo appologize for that again my friend! __________________

11-12-2009, 11:16 PM	#50
toddstang Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In a van down by the river. Posts: 7,661	If you shoot an HK-91/PTR-91 with people elbow to butthole, you would have brass digging into flesh.

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