How much ammo could you really carry?

[PTLAPTA]

A 30rnd ar mag is around 480grams loaded with 62grain. A 14.5" ar is around 3068g without a mag and just a carry handle.

A .22 might be a better bug out choice. If it comes to that and you really think you will be wolverines-ing it then you need to think more.

[josh]

Originally Posted by shaggy1392

What if you need to shoot more than 100 yards?

If we both use iron sights I bet i can hit a coke can more times with my M70 than you can with your S&W at 100 yards .... Im just sayin.

[toddstang]

Originally Posted by josh

If we both use iron sights I bet i can hit a coke can more times with my M70 than you can with your S&W at 100 yards .... Im just sayin.

Name the time and day. I want to see this challange! Lets place our bets. Shaggy , where ya at? Loser gets smacked by Toucans midgets.

[josh]

Originally Posted by toddstang

Name the time and day. I want to see this challange! Lets place our bets. Shaggy , where ya at? Loser gets smacked by Toucans midgets.

It's not a challenge. I am just saying, not all AK's are spray and pray

[toddstang]

Originally Posted by josh

It's not a challenge. I am just saying, not all AK's are spray and pray

Just messin with ya Josh. I was hoping Shaggy would jump in with both feet.

[josh]

Originally Posted by toddstang

Just messin with ya Josh. I was hoping Shaggy would jump in with both feet.

He knows better than that

[KYPATRIOT]

Originally Posted by charliegriffitts

Well, call me crazy but as I was reading down the post it occured to me that if you have that many weapons, that much ammo, and plenty of food and water why would you want to bug out. Why not just bug in and stay right where your at. Sounds like you could pretty easily fortify and defend what ever structure your in. Plus your not burning all that extra energy carrying all that stuff that you may very well need 2 or 3 days later. If your trying to carry that much and get to the point that you can't you'd probably be really tempted to start cutting back and leaving a few of the heaviest items behind. If it were me I wouldn't put myself in the position of having to make that decision. I'd stay right where I was at and just dare anyone or anything to try to make it past the front door. Prepare what you have "your home or place up in the woods" for any situation that you can think of and then when it happens you don't have to worry about it. Just my opinion.

Bugging in may well be the best option, but what happens if you cant hold your position? A taticial advantage usually exist as a 3 to 1 advantage for attackers to defenders, so if you are by yourself then 3 or 4 people will probaly breech your place of defense. Also what if your place burns down or is hit by a tornado, or if your food supply is exausted. What if you have to leave to seek medicial help for someone?

[KYPATRIOT]

Originally Posted by swooshbang

It has only been a couple of summers since I could jog between 4 and 5 miles in under an hour. That was flat road. Hiking the Millenium Trail, last year, proved to me that it's a whole different exercise to hike up and down fairly steep countryside for 14 miles. I was shocked at how challenged I was. Add the stresses of carrying a load of 25 to 30 pounds and I'm wondering how to reduce that weight right down to the essentials. At my age, 53, I would much prefer to stay put and weather-out any storm. But, in a "must-go" scenario, I'm still trying to figure out what those essentials are. The son says a Remington 870 with pistol grip (only) is a better tote weapon than my Sig 556 carbine. Maybe he has a point. What do ya think?

As others have said I would go with a semi auto military weapon, one can forage for wild edibles, catch fish with your survival kit, kill game if you have to, set snares and traps. If one was smart he would set up cache locations in different areas with food and ammo, but the primary reaso for the semi auto would be 2 legged predators. Shotguns dont carry eough rounds and dont have a great eough range.

[swooshbang]

With pencil to paper, a not too rough estimate tells me that my Sig 556 carbine, with one 30 round mag in the gun, carrying six more, Sig 228 with a total of four mags, weighs in right at 20 pounds. I'm tempted to carry a simulated weight of 35 pounds this spring on the Millenium Trail to see just how far I get. The "little voice" in my head is already telling me to drop the sweets and snacks, get in some jogging and hiking, and lose 25 lbs so I don't eliminate what self-esteem I have left LOL.

[KYPATRIOT]

Swooshbang, if I were you I would gradoaly build up to your 14 mile treck. Start with a couple of miles and then increase it gradualy. o up a mile more every couple of weeks, no use hurting yourself. Just trying to help you out.

[swooshbang]

Thanks KYPATRIOT,
I'm someone who definately knows their limitations. If you walk that trail backwards, you can turn off to the right on paths that lead back to the blacktop every couple of miles (for the first 3-4 miles) if you find the going too rough. I know, "for sure", that I can't do even half of it the first time around with a 35 lb. load. Hoping for a couple of miles the first time out (or maybe just a little farther). Maybe add a mile or two the next. Regardless, I'll have someone hiking with me. Just like a swim buddy. Maybe within the month, when the weather breaks.

[JohnnyBoy]

Originally Posted by shaggy1392

What if you need to shoot more than 100 yards?

I'd just wait till they got closer..

[worm1]

Originally Posted by shaggy1392

I shot a saiga with a drum a couple weekends ago. I shot two rounds and it jammed
both times. Ran fine with the regular mags but not so hot with the drum. I was less than impressed

Don't worry Shaggy the Saiga is fixed and will bump fire the whole drum! I think were gonna shoot this weekend if you wanta come out, maybe even kill some clay.

[josh]

Originally Posted by worm1

Don't worry Shaggy the Saiga is fixed and will bump fire the whole drum! I think were gonna shoot this weekend if you wanta come out, maybe even kill some clay.

Im in if its on friday, i thought about going out to the farm for a while anyway keep me posted if you dont mind a tag-along

[dmase]

My brothers and I are thinking of that day.We always ask the same thing,what would our forefathers do? They trapped the mountains with all the gear they needed with a Jackass as a pack animal. The Mormans crossed the Great plains with hand carts. I have even heard accounts of goat carts. These things tell me that as thinking people we will make a way.The need of something will make invention. Animals in my opinion will be the answer, even if it is only a dog to carry the ammo,we can't carry the load alone very far.All of the past people relied on animals to survive, We will have to as well. If times get as bad as it can get, you have meals on wheels as well.

[Walkeraviator]

Originally Posted by swooshbang

Thanks KYPATRIOT,
I'm someone who definately knows their limitations. If you walk that trail backwards, you can turn off to the right on paths that lead back to the blacktop every couple of miles (for the first 3-4 miles) if you find the going too rough. I know, "for sure", that I can't do even half of it the first time around with a 35 lb. load. Hoping for a couple of miles the first time out (or maybe just a little farther). Maybe add a mile or two the next. Regardless, I'll have someone hiking with me. Just like a swim buddy. Maybe within the month, when the weather breaks.

Ill share my experience. 2 years ago, my BIL and I decided we would take up backpacking. And so to train, we would load a full weekend pack and take o teh millenium trail cold turkey (I hadnt exercised in years)... we made it to the half way point and returned on the pavement to the start of teh trail. I was destroyed for days. But without the pack, I could do the entire millenium trail at a pace of about 2mph just fine without any physical conditioning. Now that I am getting back in shape I hope to backpack some more.

[swooshbang]

Got out and did some miles today, with the great weather. I was excited and did more than I should have. Ouch! Oh well, the more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle lol (I think I got that right). I might have to get one of the vests shared in this thread and load it with weights that are the same as loaded mags. The plan will be to then construct a simulation of the 8.7 lbs I would have in carrying the rifle. First walk with just the vest. Add the simulation later on. Just some thoughts (as long as I get in two to three more jog and walks this week, carrying nothing ). Man, getting older "sucks".

[swooshbang]

28 miles the past ten days (41 for the month, so far), with just a pistol and extra mag. Hope to add 15 pounds (to carry) this next week and see how that goes. Man, I'm tell'in ya, it sure ain't like the movies! Let's hear it for those guys who can march 20 miles carrying 30 pounds day after day (military). Holy Cow!

[KYPATRIOT]

sounds like you are doing pretty good keep it up.

[kentuckyyeti]

Great posts throughout this thread. I'm still not sure what the best answer is, but I'd say that those that band together and help each other stand the best chance in any situation. Me- I'm way out in the far part of the state in the sticks so my odds probably aren't as good as some others who could cover each other. No one really knows what they are capable of until they are tested.

[swooshbang]

Reading some of the posts on this forum I find quite a few guys really well prepared (hoping for the best but preparing for the worst). I guess I feel like I've spent about as much money as I can purchasing firearms, ammo, and equipment that best fit me. What has surprised me is how much I have found myself wanting when it has come to personal preparation. The best firearms in the world won't serve you well if you don't use them to their fullest potential. Motivation and adrenaline will only take you so far. They are "short-term" boosts at best. The mind may be willing, but we can't let the body be weak. My fear is that for the large majority of folks, lugging around 30 pounds (let alone 40, 50, or incredibly 60), for an extended period of time, is beyond them.

[KYPATRIOT]

yes the weight will get most, with some caches in place one would not have to carry so much.

[swooshbang]

Well, after hoofing it 93 miles since the first week of March (1 in 3 miles at a dog trot) I starting to carry a little weight on the hike (which is 4-5 miles a pop). Now I'm back to thinking 3 mags (90 rounds) w/ one in the rifle included. Additionally, may opt for a lighter weight rifle (maybe the Sig 556 pistol).

[ssracer]

After buying ammo at the mgs I realized how quicly the weight adds up...lol

I had a backpack, that by the time I was done, had about 300 rounds of 9mm, my P11, 150 rounds of .223 and 192 rounds of .30-06 in it...that sunofabitch was heavy!

Granted, this was a cheap, school type backback. If I had one made to distribute that kind of weight a little better it might have been nicer to carry...lol

[KYPATRIOT]

I was lucky I had several members of my squad who helped carry all the ammo I bought