Just some Kentucky laws.......

[Mike C]

In KY if you get pulled over and have a bucket of bullfrogs(more than 7) in your car next to your plainly visable 15 assault riffles with 10K rounds of ammo, you are only breaking the law if you don't have a permit for the bullfrogs!

Yeah, you need a permit to have more than 7 of the frogs, but not more than 7 of the guns!

[TheMrMitch]

Think of Knob Creek.....explosions....full auto etc. Dynamite, Tannerite et al are legal......

But FIRECRACKERS are ILLEGAL....HehHeh

[Whootsinator]

Sometimes I think that's for the best, Mitch... I've seen some seriously dumb things done with firecrackers... many of them by my hand.

[Wyldman]

Originally Posted by Whootsinator

Sometimes I think that's for the best, Mitch... I've seen some seriously dumb things done with firecrackers... many of them by my hand.

Well, then move your hand, Whoots!

[93civic_sedan]

527.020 Carrying concealed deadly weapon. Note: Must be in Glove Box
#8 A firearm or other deadly weapon shall not be deemed concealed on or about the person if it is located in
a glove compartment, regularly installed in a motor vehicle by its manufacturer, regardless of whether said
compartment is locked, unlocked, or does not have a locking mechanism. No person or organization, public
or private, shall prohibit a person from keeping a firearm or ammunition, or both, or other deadly weapon in
a glove compartment of a vehicle in accordance with the provisions of this subsection. Any attempt by a
person or organization, public or private, to violate the provisions of this subsection may be the subject of an
action for appropriate relief or for damages in a Circuit Court or District Court of competent jurisdiction.
9/21/06 KY Supreme Court ruled that the console in a vehicle is not the same as the Glove Compartment.
They ruled a Glove Compartment is installed in the dash of a vehicle.



YOUR PISTOL CANNOT BE IN PLAIN VIEW WITHOUT A CCDW LICENSE.

[Walkeraviator]

Ice Cream Cone in backpocket is a lw on teh books in Winchester. I was shown this while at Boys State back in the 90's. It was indeed passed because people were stealing horses this way. The law states that if a horse follows you home, it is not horse theft, so they would use teh ice cream cone to get te horse to follow them home.

[JD7.62]

Originally Posted by 93civic_sedan

527.020 Carrying concealed deadly weapon. Note: Must be in Glove Box
#8 A firearm or other deadly weapon shall not be deemed concealed on or about the person if it is located in
a glove compartment, regularly installed in a motor vehicle by its manufacturer, regardless of whether said
compartment is locked, unlocked, or does not have a locking mechanism. No person or organization, public
or private, shall prohibit a person from keeping a firearm or ammunition, or both, or other deadly weapon in
a glove compartment of a vehicle in accordance with the provisions of this subsection. Any attempt by a
person or organization, public or private, to violate the provisions of this subsection may be the subject of an
action for appropriate relief or for damages in a Circuit Court or District Court of competent jurisdiction.
9/21/06 KY Supreme Court ruled that the console in a vehicle is not the same as the Glove Compartment.
They ruled a Glove Compartment is installed in the dash of a vehicle.



YOUR PISTOL CANNOT BE IN PLAIN VIEW WITHOUT A CCDW LICENSE.

Please elaborate.

[93civic_sedan]

Originally Posted by JD7.62

Please elaborate.

Pistol needs to be in the glove box, that is how the law states it is "deemed not concealed". Not sitting in the seat beside you.

So my understanding is if its sitting in the car, and not where the law states that it is "concealed" and if you do not have a CCDW then it is illegal.

[JD7.62]

Originally Posted by 93civic_sedan

Pistol needs to be in the glove box, that is how the law states it is "deemed not concealed". Not sitting in the seat beside you.

So my understanding is if its sitting in the car, and not where the law states that it is "concealed" and if you do not have a CCDW then it is illegal.

I am fairly certain that this law has nothing to do with putting the gun on your seat. It just clarifies that a weapon in the glovebox is not deamed concealed.

Can you point to any law that says plain view is illegal?

[93civic_sedan]

http://handgunlaw.us/states/kentucky.pdf is the link I use to look up current state laws and the like.

So if in the glove box is the only place it is not considered concealed that means that everywhere else in the cabin of the vehicle makes it "concealed"...correct me if I am wrong?

I am no expert, I am just going on the way I interpret the content.

Another link, http://www.kentuckystatepolice.org/conceal.htm

"KRS 527.020 - "A deadly weapon shall not be deemed concealed on or about the person if it is located in a glove compartment, regularly installed in a motor vehicle by its manufacturer regardless of whether said compartment is locked, unlocked, or does not have a locking mechanism." "

[JD7.62]

I must have been lucky then. Pulled over with two AKs sitting in the back seat, plain view. Officer looked at em and the two cases of ammo in the floorboard along with a bunch of fishing rods and just said that it looked like I was going to have a fun weekend (on my way down to Dale). He still gave me a speeding ticket though.

[93civic_sedan]

Originally Posted by JD7.62

I must have been lucky then. Pulled over with two AKs sitting in the back seat, plain view. Officer looked at em and the two cases of ammo in the floorboard along with a bunch of fishing rods and just said that it looked like I was going to have a fun weekend (on my way down to Dale). He still gave me a speeding ticket though.

All of my comments have been in reference to handguns. :)

[TheMrMitch]

Civic.....Although NOT IN SIGHT in a glove box......it shall NOT be deemed concealed.

If NOT IN SIGHT under your seat, in a center console or door pockets, it is considered concealed and you MUST HAVE a CDWL.

If IN SIGHT on the dash, seat or anywhere else, it is not considered concealed and you do NOT need a CDWL.

Hope this helps.

[nogomoto]

Originally Posted by TheMrMitch

Rifles and shotguns may be carried
loaded and in plain view. The weapons may be secured in gun racks, gun slings, or
commercial gun cases located anywhere in the vehicle except concealed about the person.

Really?! I have not yet installed my gun rack on any pickup because an officer friend told me it was unlawful to transport firearms in that position. What is the source of that? Was I told wrong?

[JohnnyBoy]

I got this from a NRA e-mail today.

House Bill 453 passed the House on Tuesday, March 16 by a vote of 92-4. It is now en route to the Senate for a committee assignment.



Authored by State Representative Will Coursey (D-6), HB453 would allow an individual to carry a loaded or unloaded firearm in an enclosed compartment originally installed by the manufacturer in a motor vehicle. The firearm would not be considered a concealed firearm under state law.

[JD7.62]

Originally Posted by TheMrMitch

Civic.....Although NOT IN SIGHT in a glove box......it shall NOT be deemed concealed.

If NOT IN SIGHT under your seat, in a center console or door pockets, it is considered concealed and you MUST HAVE a CDWL.

If IN SIGHT on the dash, seat or anywhere else, it is not considered concealed and you do NOT need a CDWL.

Hope this helps.

That is the way Ive always understood it. I ve been know to throw my CZ-82 on the dash ever now and then

Originally Posted by JohnnyBoy

I got this from a NRA e-mail today.

House Bill 453 passed the House on Tuesday, March 16 by a vote of 92-4. It is now en route to the Senate for a committee assignment.



Authored by State Representative Will Coursey (D-6), HB453 would allow an individual to carry a loaded or unloaded firearm in an enclosed compartment originally installed by the manufacturer in a motor vehicle. The firearm would not be considered a concealed firearm under state law.

Thats GREAT news, of course I have my CCDW so that doenst matter to me but for my wife who Im still not sure if she can get one or not. According to this from 237.110 she is not eligible.

(b) 1. Is a citizen of the United States who is a resident of this Commonwealth and has been a resident for six (6) months or longer immediately preceding the filing of the application;

However with this amendment it would make it MUCH easier for her to carry a firearm in her vehicle in a much more accessible location.

Here are the proposed changes. * the words in brackets are the original words which are changed in this amendment.*

( A loaded or unloaded firearm or other deadly weapon shall not be deemed concealed on or about the person if it is located in any enclosed container,[a glove] compartment, or storage space[ regularly] installed as original equipment in a motor vehicle by its manufacturer, including but not limited to a glove compartment, center console, or seat pocket, regardless of whether said enclosed container, storage space, or compartment is locked, unlocked, or does not have a locking mechanism. No person or organization, public or private, shall prohibit a person from keeping a loaded or unloaded firearm or ammunition, or both, or other deadly weapon in a[ glove compartment of a] vehicle in accordance with the provisions of this subsection. Any attempt by a person or organization, public or private, to violate the provisions of this subsection may be the subject of an action for appropriate relief or for damages in a Circuit Court or District Court of competent jurisdiction

[TheMrMitch]

nogomoto....gun racks are NOT illegal. You were misinformed. Of course, one is not required to have gun racks when transporting long guns.

JD....that is the way it should have been in the first place. I think it was simply overlooked at the start.

[nogomoto]

Originally Posted by TheMrMitch

nogomoto....gun racks are NOT illegal. You were misinformed. Of course, one is not required to have gun racks when transporting long guns.

Good deal. I have a lack of room between tools for work and stuff I carry to the lake. Even though I have good cases, still don't trust them laying in the bed.

[guncrank1]

CCDW makes life so much easier.
I can have a gun here or there or right here.
CEW

[ssracer]

Originally Posted by guncrank1

CCDW makes life so much easier.
I can have a gun here or there or right here.
CEW

or all three

[pitbullcrazyinky]

so if i leave a gun in my center console and my girlfriend how is CCDW-less gets pulled over, is she breaking the law or not?

i know the glove compartment is OK but i'm talking center console.

[Wyldman]

As of now, she would be breaking the law. I'm pretty sure that is why this measure was introduced.

[Unfettered Might]

Took me a while to find this one.

http://162.114.92.72/COA/2003-CA-000034.pdf

That is the case law in Kentucky by the Supreme Court determining that a center console isn't a glove compartment.

What a bunch of retards. Are these the same people determining everything else at the highest level for our state? If so, that's scary.

This was obviously a ruling based in prejudice and NOT in facts.

Want an example of why they are wrong? A friend of mine owns a early model Camaro that only has a center console and no compartment in the dash. So where is his glove compartment regularly installed by the manufacturer?

His center console.

How do we go about getting this idiotic definition of the terminology overturned?

[Mike C]

Some of you guys are making this more complicated than you need to.

1) You can carry guns in your vehicle or on your person if they are not concealed. If you want to conceal them, you need to have a CCDW or place it in the GLOVE BOX or trunk. Anywhere else(your pocket, center console, door pocket, etc), and you are carrying concealed(should be self explanatory, but evidently not).

There is talk right now about making center consoles legal just like glove boxes, but as of now there isn't anything on the books.

You can have gun racks and pistol racks all you want, as long as it isn't concealing the guns. If you have a CCDW, it doesn't really matter where you put the guns(ummm...JOSH!)

And another note, there is no "3 step" BS that is associated with the glove box. If you have it in the glove box, loaded or unloaded, it doesn't really matter.

[southernhospitality]

Also if you are in college or at a trade school you can keep your pistol in your car on the school grounds without catching a charge, as long as you don't brandish said firearm.