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Old 05-25-2012, 07:27 AM   #1
 
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The Constitutional "resolutions" to this perceived threat.

1) Treaties, contrary to popular believe, do not trump the Constitution: There can not be treaties comprised to grant the federal government powers which it is not already authorized (or the state governments for that matter) under the Constitution. So, for example, a treaty with the U.N. can not grant the federal government power to "infringe" upon the Right to keep and bear arms.

2) Of course, ANY treaty must be ratified by 2/3s of the Senate. Even the current makeup of the Senate makes this highly unlikely.

3) Rights are Rights, and can not be legislated away, or treaty-ed away. They are a grant/gift from our Creator, and answer to His law, not man's law. The Constitution (as well as the Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights) acknowledges this, and puts restrictions upon the government in their ability to infringe upon these Rights, and even places a duty for the government to protect/secure these Rights (especially the 2nd Amendment, is worded to place a duty upon ALL levels of government to protect this Right.)

4) The States have already demonstrated they are moving to remove federal influence upon private firearm ownership, manufacture and use of firearms: http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/null...s-freedom-act/ As well as the many Sheriffs who will stand in the way of any effort to enforce unConstitutional activity in their counties.

5) All of the above is pointed out to show that the structure of our government does not allow for the lawful/legal/moral restriction of the 2nd Amendment. This is NOT to say that the government (or others) will not attempt to do so, through the color of law, or by brute force, this is called tyranny, and IS ALWAYS A CONSTANT THREAT TO FREEDOM.

My point being is that there are NO legitimate means for ANYONE (international government, federal, state, local) to restrict the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. However, human nature dictates that tyranny is always present. Our very form and system of government is erected on the very foundation of divided powers, with the People holding ALL the power and delegating portions of that power for use by local/state governments, and some by the federal government, with very strict limits upon the latter.

There are many Constitutional means for the People to contain the abuses of the federal government, such as the concern of a treaty trumping the Constitution. However, this means there has to be ownership responsibilities taken on the part of the People. If the People are unwilling to take these responsibilities, there is little that can, or will, be done to stop tyranny.

The good news is that the tools available to the American People, via the Constitutional Republic we live in, to control the federal government and stop tyranny from that level are tremendously more simple and easy than those tools available to our Founders. So anyone who deems it the best course of action to "arm up" and prepare to resist tyranny in this country, by the use of arms, is neglecting the sacrifice of those who have already secured our Rights. With so many tools available to us, which have proven more effective and safer to use than a call to arms, the real question is why step over the easy to take up the absolutely most difficult means to solving a problem?

Finally, keep this in mind, as you read articles such as the one linked. It is the job of the tyrant (this includes the media who are part of the tyrant's machine) to convince you that you are already defeated. They know if they can bend your hearts and minds to accept you are a "subject" of the government and that your efforts to secure your Freedom is already defeated, you will not utilized the easier, more effective Constitutional tools available to you. This will force you to, if you even have any gumption left in your, to use only the very most difficult tool of armed rebellion, which has ALWAYS worked to the advantage of the tyrant (with the sole exception of the American Revolution).

This story, and all the stories of Obowma (or any government) circumventing the Constitution need to be read in the light that it is legally/morally impossible for this circumvent to happen. Only the People of this country can allow such to happen, and that is surrender, not circumventing.
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Have always appreciated your well-articulated and logical responses, Busboy. This issue is not new...this treaty has been kicked around the UN for quite awhile, and previous administrations ensured it would go nowhere here. What is new, this time, is the current admin giving it energy. For evil to prevail, good men should do nothing. And, as you have pointed out in a previous discussion, we have the tools (Constitutionally) to stop the progress of such tyranny. New amendments aren't needed; exercising our rights and forcing our elected officials to function within the limits of the Constitution is. Thanks for your valued input.
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Is this the dam UN small arm treaty raiseing it's ugly head again. That I think has been dead at the door for a while. Dam why can't these sociopathic a-holes in Washington just let the foolish crap they continue to foster alone for once. Bunch of freaken sociopathic bums.
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I don't think it's raising it's head again, the article listed by the OP is from 2009.
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I don't think it's raising it's head again, the article listed by the OP is from 2009.
In fact, it IS raising its ugly head again in about one month from now. Efforts are already beginning to combat the bureaucrats yet again. http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2012/tester-moran-amendment-to-block-use-of-taxpayer-money-to-lobby-for-un-gun-ban-passes-by-voice-vote.aspx
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"Consensus is needed to ensure the widest possible support for the Treaty and to avoid loopholes in the Treaty that can be exploited by those wishing to export arms irresponsibly," Clinton said in a written statement.


Uhhh...would this include Obama, Holder, and other masterminds of Fast and Furious?
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"Consensus is needed to ensure the widest possible support for the Treaty and to avoid loopholes in the Treaty that can be exploited by those wishing to export arms irresponsibly," Clinton said in a written statement.


Uhhh...would this include Obama, Holder, and other masterminds of Fast and Furious?
Typical liberal, "do what I say, not what I do".
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Yes, Bush said no way but the present bunch of Chicago Thugs are actively participating in this - yet another attack on the US lifestyle.
Hillary has been open that the Adminstration supports this treaty and its controls on ALL gun owners and will be involved in the meetings which will occur this summer.

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