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Old 12-26-2009, 10:59 AM   #1
 
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I have a Kentucky CCDW permit. My job has me in and out of a lot of hospitals in Kentucky. Some of them have the "universal" no hand guns permitted sign on some of the doors but not all of them. Others have no signs at all. But if I understand the state statutes, those signs are not any different than those posted on a restaurant door. If someone discovers you are a carrying concealed all they can do is ask you to leave. Is that correct? If not what are the laws in Kentucky regarding hospital carry--whether there are signs or not?

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i would be more concerned as to what your employer thinks about you carrying while your on the clock. they cant keep you from having a gun in your personal vehicle but they can with a company vehicle.
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I'm pretty sure you can't carry in any hospital.
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According to the KSP website, hospital are not expressly forbidden:

http://kentuckystatepolice.org/conceal.htm

But I agree with the part about what your employer might say.
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I always carry while in a hospital. There are too many emotions flying around. Remember the Concealed means concealed!! Out of sight out of mind. They can only ask you to leave.
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Good point about having an employer's approval. My employer has no problem with an employee's carrying so long as it is legal. It is correct that hospital carry is not expressly forbidden and that is the reason that I am looking for some understanding of the hospital issue.

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Well, that's interesting, I always thought that hospitals were strictly off limits for concealed carry. I guess that stems from my originally getting my CCW in Texas where it is (was? it may have changed...) a 3rd degree felony to possess arms (of any kind) in a hospital or doctor's office (at least it was 17 years ago when I got the first training class, there).
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i was wondering the same thing after i went into a hosipital and saw the universal no gun sign and i was also wondering about the bank b/c i go into the bank with mine b/c there is no sign whatsoever where i bank.
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i was wondering the same thing after i went into a hosipital and saw the universal no gun sign and i was also wondering about the bank b/c i go into the bank with mine b/c there is no sign whatsoever where i bank.
im pretty sure a bank is considered a federal building?
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I can and have used my deputy status to carry open in a hospital with an inmate. No problem there.
Just going in for a test or to visit I will carry mine concealed.
IF I must be sedated for tests, I stop at the main desk and call security. My gun is checked in with them and retrieved after my proceedure is over.
Just use common sense.

The Bank is NOT a Federal Building and perfectly legal to carry there. It is FDIC INSURED and not under control of the gubment.
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You should be okay carrying in a bank or a hospital. It is basically private property (short of VA hospitals, state mental hospitals yada yada and federal and state run hospitals) but remember that it is private property and they have the right to ask you to leave their property. And obviously if they ask you to leave their property and you do not, you can be charged with trespassing and arrested fairly quickly I would assume. Work on minimizing the "printing" of your gun and you should be fine. I carry my 1911 and my back up .38 at both places and do not see an issue. I ask a lot of questions on this to www.kc3.com, more directly a guy named Charles Riggs and he is a major help. Very knowledgeable and has considerable background on this subject.
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I carry when ever and where ever unless specifically forbid by the state of KY. That includes work (company prohibits it but concealed is concealed), hospitals, and banks.
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I carry when ever and where ever unless specifically forbid by the state of KY. That includes work (company prohibits it but concealed is concealed), hospitals, and banks.
X2. With the exception that I never carried at my former job, but likely will at my next one.
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The only places you can not carry are:

A concealed firearm or other deadly weapon SHALL NOT be carried in the following places:

•Police station or sheriff's office.
•Detention facility, prison or jail.
•Courthouse (Court of Justice, courtroom or court proceeding).
•County, municipal, or special district governing body meetings.
•Meeting of governing body of a county, municipality, or special district.
•General Assembly session, including committee meetings.
•Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense beer or alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to that purpose.
•Elementary or secondary school facilities (without the consent of school authorities).
•Child-caring facilities, day care centers, or any certified family child care home.
•Areas within an airport where restricted access is controlled by the inspection of persons or property.
•Any place where federal law prohibits the carrying of a firearms

For primary schools, there is an exemption under KRS 527.070 that allows an adult who can legally posses a firearm to leave it in there vehicle while on school premises.

Also not that state law allows technical colleges and universities to make their own rules in regard to how a firearm can be on property owned by the school.
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So is U of L's firearm ban similar to a private business that has it's own rules? I don't carry on campus because I'm under the impression that U of L security can presumably arrest me if im found to be carrying a deadly weapon. Am I wrong in assuming that? Are they only allowed to ask you to leave?

There's been such an increase in crime on campus and I wish the adminstrators would realize that the campus would be much safer if they allowed concealed deadly weapons. Students are perfect targets when muggers know that we're forbidden from arming ourselves.
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So is U of L's firearm ban similar to a private business that has it's own rules? I don't carry on campus because I'm under the impression that U of L security can presumably arrest me if im found to be carrying a deadly weapon. Am I wrong in assuming that? Are they only allowed to ask you to leave?

There's been such an increase in crime on campus and I wish the adminstrators would realize that the campus would be much safer if they allowed concealed deadly weapons. Students are perfect targets when muggers know that we're forbidden from arming ourselves.
You can't be arrested for carrying on campus...however, you could receive disciplinary actions up to expulsion and you would not have a legal defense....in other words you couldn't sue the college using the "I have a concealed carry defense". You can find more info and what you can do about carrying concealed on campus at

www.concealedcampus.org and I do believe that Louisville has a Students for Concealed Carry on Campus organization.
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The only places you can not carry are:

A concealed firearm or other deadly weapon SHALL NOT be carried in the following places:

•Police station or sheriff's office.
•Detention facility, prison or jail.
•Courthouse (Court of Justice, courtroom or court proceeding).
•County, municipal, or special district governing body meetings.
•Meeting of governing body of a county, municipality, or special district.
•General Assembly session, including committee meetings.
•Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense beer or alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to that purpose.
•Elementary or secondary school facilities (without the consent of school authorities).
•Child-caring facilities, day care centers, or any certified family child care home.
•Areas within an airport where restricted access is controlled by the inspection of persons or property.
•Any place where federal law prohibits the carrying of a firearms

For primary schools, there is an exemption under KRS 527.070 that allows an adult who can legally posses a firearm to leave it in there vehicle while on school premises.

Also not that state law allows technical colleges and universities to make their own rules in regard to how a firearm can be on property owned by the school.
Keep in mind that this only applys to CONCEALED carry. If you wish to open carry, that is perfectly legal, but you still may be asked to leave in which case you leave to avoid criminal trespass charges.

you guys shoudl all visit opencarry.org if you havent already.
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•Areas within an airport where restricted access is controlled by the inspection of persons or property.
Does this mean they can only restrict carry past the security checkpoint gate? Where they do the xray and all that.
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Does this mean they can only restrict carry past the security checkpoint gate? Where they do the xray and all that.
That is exactly what it means. This has become an issue at CVG airport as tehy passed an ordinance that bans hanguns everywhere...and that is a violation of teh state 7th ammendment that preempts localities fom passing any firearmss laws more restrictive than state law.

By state law you can carry your firearm anywhere that doesnt require you go through security... which in airports like Bowman Field, where there is NO security screening, you can carry anywhere you like.
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You can't be arrested for carrying on campus...however, you could receive disciplinary actions up to expulsion and you would not have a legal defense....in other words you couldn't sue the college using the "I have a concealed carry defense". You can find more info and what you can do about carrying concealed on campus at

www.concealedcampus.org and I do believe that Louisville has a Students for Concealed Carry on Campus organization.
Note. You could be arrested for creating a public disturbance if your concealed weapon is spotted or if you open carry. I think people think that the police are cool with CCW. The reality is that they think that it just adds to the **** they have to deal with. Their job isn't interpreting the law, it is keeping the peace. We let the court decide if you are guilty. If you have a CCW and the presents of you and your weapon create an issue as far as Joe public is concerned you will be arrested and the court will decide the legal outcome. Even if you are found not guilty you will have been arrested booked and your gun will be confiscated. Note that guns that are confiscated rarely are returned even in cases that the defendent is found notguilty.

Another note. In KY a cop can hold anyone for 24 hours with out a charge, and then let you go. No harm no foul.

My point is that the rule of law will be argued well after you have been detained and it will cost mega bucks before it's over. Personally not worth it on my dime.
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Note. You could be arrested for creating a public disturbance if your concealed weapon is spotted or if you open carry. I think people think that the police are cool with CCW. The reality is that they think that it just adds to the **** they have to deal with. Their job isn't interpreting the law, it is keeping the peace. We let the court decide if you are guilty. If you have a CCW and the presents of you and your weapon create an issue as far as Joe public is concerned you will be arrested and the court will decide the legal outcome. Even if you are found not guilty you will have been arrested booked and your gun will be confiscated. Note that guns that are confiscated rarely are returned even in cases that the defendent is found notguilty.

Another note. In KY a cop can hold anyone for 24 hours with out a charge, and then let you go. No harm no foul.

My point is that the rule of law will be argued well after you have been detained and it will cost mega bucks before it's over. Personally not worth it on my dime.

So in otherwords, the police can just violate my rights...all because joe public is ignorant... that sounds like guilty until proven innocent to me.
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So in otherwords, the police can just violate my rights...all because joe public is ignorant... that sounds like guilty until proven innocent to me.
Guilty or innocent is decided in court. Police are not lawyers or judges their job is to keep the peace. Just so you know that the jail system is full of people that are presummed innocent still, hell some of them have been there over a year. That is what the jails do they hold people till they get their day in court. If you lose you go to prision (guilty) if you win you get to go home (innocent).


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I was asked to leave my local mall today because I met a friend and had my ar in the trunk, in its case. He arrived, i popped the trunk, opened the case, never picked it up. Just then mall security came by and asked was going on. (Doing theyre nightly rounds I guess) I told her I was showing my friend my new gun I purchased and she said I needed to leave because guns are not allowed on the property as even the parking lot is private property. Isnt there a law that says your allowed to have a firearm in your vehicle as long as its not government property?
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